tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post5921548550503683588..comments2024-03-18T15:17:26.003-05:00Comments on l'astronave: Thinking About Thinking (about Gender)Frescahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-30755365085687418322010-03-04T21:31:35.952-06:002010-03-04T21:31:35.952-06:00MOMO: Thanks--yeah, some of it is just changing ha...MOMO: Thanks--yeah, some of it is just changing habits & pathways, but<br /><br />as RR points out, those are deeply rooted.<br /><br />Thanks, all, my head is spinning. In a good way.Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-32359104616117749522010-03-04T13:56:46.956-06:002010-03-04T13:56:46.956-06:00One of my friends was, in a former job, the foremo...One of my friends was, in a former job, the foremost speech therapist in the UK dealing with transgender clients. Possibly about the only speech therapist etc etc. A fascinating topic because it's not just a matter of vocal pitch (deep voice / high voice) but also vocabulary and body language. Communication is gendered in the bone. As it were.rrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-59024887115890704962010-03-04T11:29:48.582-06:002010-03-04T11:29:48.582-06:00Comment the second: thank you for sharing the DWF ...Comment the second: thank you for sharing the DWF speech, first for him.<br />and also, I am wrestling with his topic as a teacher and mother of a future college student (I hope!) and someone who is witnessing the agony of change in higher education. I don't know where we'll end up, but I'm not confident about where we seem to be going now.momohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149328149132703479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-36449685689747824722010-03-04T11:26:38.766-06:002010-03-04T11:26:38.766-06:00I love that song!
I've had similar experiences...I love that song!<br />I've had similar experiences with gender pronouns and people, but also with someone who changes his/her name. It takes time to adjust. <br /><br />Moment of pedantry (sorry, professional defect!)<br />Another way of thinking about "default settings" is through linguistics. Ursula K. Leguin tried to create a world in which biology and gender were not binary and fixed, and it was very hard, but it really challenged our thinking, the ways transgender people do. <br /><br />In Spanish, subject and object pronouns display gender (masculine feminine) in both the singular and the plural: él/ella become ellos/ellas, but when referring to a mixed group, the masculine plural pronoun is used (ellos). AND every thing has a gender, not just animals or creatures. In English gender is only displayed or marked in the singular subject pronoun he/she vs. while the plural does not they/them. And inanimate objects are "it" or "they."<br />In English we say his and hers for possessive, and gender is marked, but in Spanish, they use "su". Hence, even very good English speakers will sometimes say "her" when they mean "his" or vice versa. <br /><br />All of this to say that our pronoun systems are shaped by our language, but as with learning another language, we can learn a different system of pronouns with practice and repetition.momohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149328149132703479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-80742476690624776332010-03-04T09:52:40.068-06:002010-03-04T09:52:40.068-06:00BINK: I choked on my coffee when I read your comme...BINK: I choked on my coffee when I read your comment. <br />A big "speacial" thanks to you!Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-74148758175984555822010-03-04T09:50:52.904-06:002010-03-04T09:50:52.904-06:00I couldn't help laughing when I noticed that t...I couldn't help laughing when I noticed that the "Teaching You How to Think" vid misspelled special in their "Speacial Thanks" credits. I guess zhey should be teaching zhem a bit more... <br /><br />Zie-- "du bis; sie sind; er/sie/es est". Ja?binknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-28897043940077521072010-03-04T09:32:18.963-06:002010-03-04T09:32:18.963-06:00MARGARET: Kirk. He gives new meaning to the phrase...MARGARET: Kirk. He gives new meaning to the phrase "plays well with others." <br /><br />He isn't just post-gender, he's post-species! <br />Kirk/Gorn, is my favorite---here:<br />http://gugeo.blogspot.com/2009/02/true-love.htmlFrescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-86435948803529138282010-03-04T09:25:02.348-06:002010-03-04T09:25:02.348-06:00How have I not seen that video before?! It's b...How have I not seen that video before?! It's brilliant!! <br /><br />Perhaps Kirk thinks in gender neutrals, and that's why he goes after men and women, (not officially, but c'mon....there would be no slash without Kirk. He could be reasonably paired with anyone. Kirk/Chekov, Kirk/Sulu, Kirk/Scotty, Kirk/Khan....would love to see that one done, Kirk/Uhura, Kirk/Chapel, etc. It all works!) Everyone is a "zie" to him, and therefore a possible mate.Marzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05258262409718943594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-36566783494577342552010-03-04T09:24:53.750-06:002010-03-04T09:24:53.750-06:00Thanks, RICK, I added that link to the post.
It&#...Thanks, RICK, I added that link to the post.<br /> It's about sex more than gender, but, yeah, it definitely has the power to shake up one's automatic settings.<br /><br />"Closer" was actually the very first Star Trek fanvid I ever saw, a couple years ago when I first started looking into Internet fandom.<br /><br />I'd loved ST in the 1970s, but I hadn't watched it or kept up with its fandom since then---so imagine my surprise.<br />And total delight.<br /><br />I will check out Le Guin--I read her in high school too, but don't remember a thing... <br /><br />That's a great Sturgeon title--talk about messing with language settings.Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-80885139178453700922010-03-04T09:05:46.390-06:002010-03-04T09:05:46.390-06:00If you haven't seen it, you might enjoy this s...If you haven't seen it, you might enjoy this somewhat edgier Star Trek mashup:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY<br /><br />Also, you might want to check out Ursula LeGuin's <i>The Left Hand of Darkness</i> (thematically very similar to Sturgeon's novel, a bit more "modern", and LeGuin is an incredible writer--it won the Hugo Award, etc.).<br /><br />Sturgeon had one of the funniest titles ever for a story: "If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister?"Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02630742048605089548noreply@blogger.com