tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post7743220744764513138..comments2024-03-18T15:17:26.003-05:00Comments on l'astronave: Space: Sans-SerifFrescahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-45497269512750761992010-02-28T16:53:46.960-06:002010-02-28T16:53:46.960-06:00JEN: "clean and bright and open...no, it'...JEN: "clean and bright and open...no, it's sterile and corporate..."<br /><br />That's perfect--it really catches the dichotomy, doesn't it?<br /><br />I'm really looking forward to watching the doc on Helvetica,<br />and one of these days I will screw up my courage and watch "The Way to Eden" again too. <br />(I dread the feeling of being embarrassed for my friends on the Enterprise, as they are exposed as hopeless squares, except, interestingly as you remind me, for Spock. But the faux hippies are embarrassing too--oh, just all round squeamishness-making...)Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-27975521513035509032010-02-27T03:52:57.638-06:002010-02-27T03:52:57.638-06:00The Helvetica documentary is amazing stuff, Fresca...The Helvetica documentary is amazing stuff, Fresca! I found there to be moments where I just had to goggle at how seriously people take these things, but most of the time I was enchanted with seeing people so passionate about design and the way it shapes our perceptions. I ended up very ambivalent about Helvetica--they found very articulate and wonderful people to speak passionately both for and against it. And I think a lot of what they said works well with Star Trek too! It's clean and bright and open...no, it's sterile and corporate...<br /><br />Oddly enough, I just watched (for the first time! I had read the novelized versions but never seen it) "The Way to Eden" last night, and was struck by Spock's statement of people not liking the "programmed, automated, sterile life" of the Federation. He seems to empathize (more than the bemused Kirk does) with the dream of the "space hippies" for a less mechanized life; I don't think I've ever seen a character so clearly express dissatisfaction with the clean future of Star Trek. In general I think it's presented as a great thing (in general I agree with that!) so it struck me particularly...Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13923745480765984429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-45470358938505770232010-02-26T08:41:45.560-06:002010-02-26T08:41:45.560-06:00Hi, Kellie!
Thanks---it's on my Netflix queue...Hi, Kellie!<br /><br />Thanks---it's on my Netflix queue.Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-88730982957770030482010-02-25T10:03:36.269-06:002010-02-25T10:03:36.269-06:00I'm late to the party here, but Typophile poin...I'm late to the party here, but Typophile pointed me at the Helvetica documentary: <br />http://www.helveticafilm.com/<br /><br />Couldn't resist!Kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03175230809942472336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-9366103734221761512010-02-23T22:58:53.629-06:002010-02-23T22:58:53.629-06:00STEF: Re Nazi typefaces, I found this, from typoph...STEF: Re Nazi typefaces, I found this, from typophile,<br />(here:<br />http://www.typophile.com/node/12130"<br /><br />""Schaftstiefelgrotesk<br /><br />A style of blackletter type popularized in the 20th century that split the distance between the heavy industrial grotesques popular in the West (such as Akzidenz Grotesk) and the blackletter types predominant in the Teutonic world. <br /><br />"Hitler, who had a preference for classic Roman imperial inscriptional letters, was one of the chief exponents of this style of type, which became explicitly identified with Nazi ideas of German nationalism. <br /><br />"The names of the typefaces -- Deutschland, National, Tannenberg -- reveal this connection. Schaftstiefelgrotesks bear the same relationship to traditional German blackletters that grotesque sans serif types do to traditional serifed Latin type: <br />they are simplified, weighted versions of the forms, sturdier and less refined. <br /><br />"The name, given to the style by typesetters, is ironic. Of all the types sullied by association with the Nazis, they are the most problematic."Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-48780423233003566282010-02-23T22:45:49.332-06:002010-02-23T22:45:49.332-06:00BINK: Thanks for that info, which rings a bell. I ...BINK: Thanks for that info, which rings a bell. I don't know that I want to know more about Wright, as what i do know makes me thing I won't like him, and I think loving his art should be sufficient.<br /><br />STEF: Good question about the swastika---someone else suggested looking at fascist design--the design of power... <br />But off the top of my head, anyway, it seems the antithesis of Star Trek.<br />Clean-lined, yeah, but I think of fascist art as very heavy, full of gravitas (weighted down with self importance), with none of the whimsical "we might take off into space" charms of the Guggenheim.<br /><br />I must think more on these things...Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-60847596575691997032010-02-23T12:07:03.267-06:002010-02-23T12:07:03.267-06:00Ouch! Fresca, I did read-- (Okay, I admit, hurried...Ouch! Fresca, I did read-- (Okay, I admit, hurriedly skimmed)-- the Wikipedia stuff on Gill. I must've just been focused on finding out about the font, cuz I certainly would've been distressed by his personality issues, had I read about them. I must've been still too traumatized by thoughts on marching fonts and swastikas to assimilate this painful information. I thought maybe ArtSparker had meant the guy was extremely grouchy, but I see it was other or more than that. I'll take this experience as a warning to take more time and read more carefully. Thanks for the reminder. <br /><br />Eyes wide open,<br /> <br />StefalalaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-63828241300376371772010-02-23T11:43:06.856-06:002010-02-23T11:43:06.856-06:00Wright's houses are very unlivable mostly beca...Wright's houses are very unlivable mostly because of what he did with the furnishings he designed to go in them. Like hard straight-backed chair bolted in place! God-forbid you'd like to move your chair closer to the table, or into a sunbeam, or just across the room for a change! He truly wanted to play little god with his buildings as temples and the dwellers in them mere subjects to bow to his designs and his whims.binknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-69931806178779645872010-02-23T11:27:01.738-06:002010-02-23T11:27:01.738-06:00BINK: Heh, yeah--design may be "neutral,"...BINK: Heh, yeah--design may be "neutral," but humans aren't!<br /><br />I want to look more into the livability of design--I gather F. L. Wright's houses weren't always human-friendly either?<br />Save us from people who want to "perfect" us--that's very different from imagining we can create a better world, perfection being an end,<br />imagining being an ongoing act.Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-83107309939448953702010-02-23T10:13:53.305-06:002010-02-23T10:13:53.305-06:00The idea of design being neutral reminds me of the...The idea of design being neutral reminds me of the (Italian?) architect who was so instrumental in creating the shape of (western world) public housing in the 60's. You know--the big bland public housing units that are so dreadfully devoid of personality--and only used to warehouse the poor, because no one else would live in such drab, concrete environments willingly.<br /><br />What always killed me was that this guy (sorry I can't remember his name) wanted to build for the mythic "every man"--and then proceeded to use himself for a measure of all dimensions like door heights, counter tops, etc. <br /><br />He gave new meaning to the phrase "man is the measure of all things"!<br />Ha!binknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-31302298148701928652010-02-23T10:04:50.869-06:002010-02-23T10:04:50.869-06:00FMSMO: I used to do some calligraphy (pen and ink)...FMSMO: I used to do some calligraphy (pen and ink), but I haven't even tried to play with online type--maybe now I will!<br /><br />RICK: I was surprised that I recognized many of the ST fonts too, since I'd never paid conscious attention to them.<br />Funny what our subconsciouses are getting up to without telling us. : )Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-15534730372291426212010-02-23T06:40:36.818-06:002010-02-23T06:40:36.818-06:00I'm not really fussy about fonts as long as I ...I'm not really fussy about fonts as long as I can read them. For a long time (before I realized I needed reading glasses) I preferred big, blocky fonts. These days Century is my default for writing documents (I don't/can't do design). Now that I think of it, I don't know what font my blog is in...<br /><br />I recognized just about every one of the Trek fonts, but am not nearly geeky enough to know them by name! In fact, if you gave me flash cards with various famous fonts I doubt I could name any of them, including Century! Well, OK, Comic Sans is pretty easy to spot...Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02630742048605089548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-68987961346613241032010-02-22T23:38:05.327-06:002010-02-22T23:38:05.327-06:00I got a new "free" font from Adobe, Hypa...I got a new "free" font from Adobe, Hypatia sans, for registering my updated Adobe Reader. I can't wait to try it out. It's a little different, so might be some fun. I do love fonts with serifs, however, with all their squiggles, leaps and swirls.femminismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259380168965137800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-47556895370484919182010-02-22T14:58:29.358-06:002010-02-22T14:58:29.358-06:00STEF:
Did you read the Wikipedia entry on Eric Gil...STEF:<br />Did you read the Wikipedia entry on Eric Gill?<br /><br />From the entry:<br />"His personal diaries describe his sexual activity in great detail including the fact that Gill sexually abused his own children, had an incestuous relationship with his sister and performed sexual acts on his dog. "<br /><br />The sister, one hopes, was consensual, and who knows about the dog, but I do think sexual abuse of his own children (or anyone else's) counts as beyond bland, as I'm sure you agree.<br /><br />Cool designer, though.<br />There's that old weird discomfort of admiring the art of someone one does not admire personally.<br /><br />Thank goodness William Shatner only hit on grown ladies, who, one assumes, were perfectly willing... : )Frescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323129046492056942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-82766620615173653382010-02-22T14:47:09.602-06:002010-02-22T14:47:09.602-06:00As long as it's "Gill Sans" and not ...As long as it's "Gill Sans" and not "sans gills", it sounded as if it would appeal to my Piscean sensibilities. Just googled it and lo and behold it did. Now, I'm just curious about who this Eric Gill was and how ArtSparker seems to have inside info as to some objectionable facet of his personality. Wikipedia stuff, of course was pretty bland. Hope it's okay etiquette to riff on ArtSparker's remark here. I have GOT to have some lunch; this blog puts me in altered state!<br /><br />StefalalaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-1326775929222022902010-02-22T14:19:14.593-06:002010-02-22T14:19:14.593-06:00I "go" more for Gill Sans (always omitti...I "go" more for Gill Sans (always omitting its designers extremely unpleasant personality).ArtSparkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875996639432864367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229875339727095184.post-54084291884435721442010-02-22T13:05:57.361-06:002010-02-22T13:05:57.361-06:00Hmmm...are all Austrians named Adolph obsessed wit...Hmmm...are all Austrians named Adolph obsessed with marching? i thought the designer was gonna be Adolph H. What font is a swastika in? That was not a well-constructed sentence, was it? Oy, gevalt!<br />I am attracted to using Helvetica or Arial whenever I do design political action info posters. And, y'know, I was born in 1957...Always thought certain Minnesotan and other more "universal" pervasive western cultural influences might've drawn me to these. Doesn't Helvetica sound as if it's derived from the name of a Scandinavian goddess or heroine.. or at least from a Wagnerian work? And, Arial sounds Shakespearean or Greek... or transistor technology-generation-ish. (Just how "universal" is space age design!?!) Thanks, Fresca, for one of your comments in a previous post about how we Pisceans are in our element existing on/in miultiple planes. Helped me get in touch with my fluid spiritual roots and laugh and celebrate my essential nonlinear-reality. And, today, ya got me thinkin' about meaning again, about stuff I wouldn't necessarily be particularly focused on, but,am aware of being pretty picky about--FONTS! will have to meet up with you again for a longer query and discussion session on this topic.<br /><br />Happy working and Swimming!<br /><br />StefalalaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com